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Researchers point to risks if New York OKs fracking

New York Times -- With New York reportedly set to allow fracking in portions of the state near the Pennsylvania border, researchers at one of the Empire State’s top universities are warning of catastrophic consequences associated with increased gas drilling.

Cornell University’s Anthony Ingraffea, a professor of civil and environmental engineering, and Susan Christopherson, a professor of city and regional planning, on Monday afternoon briefed New York’s congressional delegation, along with several key panels such as the House Committee on Natural Resources, on the footprint the natural gas industry could leave in its wake.

Mr. Ingraffea, the author of a report claiming natural gas is even worse than coal as a contributor to global warming, said policymakers at both the state and federal level.

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Submitted Jul 17, 2012 By: JamesCalvin

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drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,953 Points:754,120 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 19, 2012 8:25:12 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Sounds like it's time for a reality check again and from PERSONAL experience. I lease, not own, 5000 acres of land for hunting and recreation in the western part of Texas. I have watched over 25 gas wells drilled and hydraulically fractured out there over the last few years. Not once, never, has there been a problem with the drillers. No water problems, no trash or garbage left behind. The reclamation process after drilling is flawless and the footprint is minimal. No deer, game animals or livestock has been adversely affected at all. These people making statements such as honda0105, letemeatthecake, Eugenian and PDQBlues below, just to name a few, are astoundingly ignorant of the real world and just keep believing the drivel put out by the anti-oil and gas paranoia pushers. They refuse to listen to reason, logic or scientific study and continue to only pimp their views according to the propaganda they read or hear. [Edited by: drpepperTX at 7/19/2012 11:25:15 AM EST]
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 19, 2012 2:58:59 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Perhaps all those who propose fracking and believe it's not hurting the drinking water could all move to Oklahoma or some other place that is experiencing severe drought now and see how water shortage affects the lives (which in many ways will affect all our lives).
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,580 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:30:52 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Well said Eugenian! Agree.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,008 Points:599,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 10:19:06 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
Eugenian Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,872 Points:364,080 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:00:44 AM Ignore Eugenian Report Abuse What could possibly go wrong, other than poisoning thousands of people's drinking water, making their properties worthless and ruining their lives?
RogerB Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:18,066 Points:2,625,835 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 10:59:52 PM Ignore RogerB Report Abuse Fracking is the one major thing to be breaking our dependence on foreign oil.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,580 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 8:48:20 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse John are you and Pop from Texas 1 percenters?
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,084 Points:1,450,275 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 6:21:26 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Thank you, JamesCalvin, for posting this article. Yes, the people of New York are very intelligent to keep the pollution from fracking polluting their water. It's interesting that the proponents of fracking live very far from fracking wells that they have no first hand experience of the dangers from fracking.
johntxx Champion Author Texas Posts:2,795 Points:618,270 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 5:42:47 PM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse An excellent comment from drpepperTX from earlier today: "As more and more SCIENTIFIC studies are added to a growing list of studies showing the safety of hydraulic fracturing, the science denial crowd will overlook the science and continue to promote fear. Yelling "the water's on fire etc.". They'll continue to chant the thoroughly debunked claims of Josh Fox "Gasland" propaganda. You see, there is a huge amount of deceiving information spouted out to the public about hydraulic fracturing, a decades-old technology. Those who spread this misinformation are mostly preying on the public's fears, with an ultimate goal of forcing state governments to succumb to that fear and prevent or even ban hydraulic fracturing. We need to make sure that the discussion is productive, and that any rules are legitimately conceived. Fact must be sEPArated from fiction. The most common claim talking point is that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water. This is baseless. Have you ever noticed that the critics who make that claim never provide concrete evidence? The reason for their omission? It is obvious why. After being used more than 1.2 million times there have been no confirmed cases of hydraulic fracturing contaminating water. None. Never. Ever. As EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in April of 2012, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater." The three "smoking gun" cases that the anti-shale zealots were sinking their teeth into have proven false or based on very poor science. See Pavillion WY, Dimoch, PA, and Parker County, TX. The latest fear mongering is "climate change" thru methane emission from hydraulic fracturing. Once again SCIENTIFIC investigation has shown the EPA using numbers that are overblown by 50%. Oh and the "evil Halliburton Loophole" talking point! LOL, what a joke. This is the errant claim born out of the yellow journalism of "gasland", a proven fraudulent film by Josh Fox, that hydraulic fracturing is "exempt" from the Safe Drinking Water Act, thanks to an energy bill passed by Congress in 2005. The truth??? SDWA has been the law of the land for nearly 40 years, and at no point has it ever covered hydraulic fracturing. Why??? States already tightly and effectively regulate the process. How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered you in the first place? But you hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up. It is important to rely on facts and the science, not fear-mongering talking points."
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,708 Points:1,640,120 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 4:22:35 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse Maybe the rest of us should refuse to sell oil products to NY as long as they refuse to make their own. Drill or walk NY.
hatterasjack Champion Author South Carolina Posts:1,300 Points:727,055 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 4:18:50 PM Ignore hatterasjack Report Abuse If the Marcellus Field is so vast perhaps we should consider fracking it.
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,364 Points:2,259,730 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 2:57:54 PM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse Fracking is potentially very damaging to the environment and must be authorized very carefully
johntxx Champion Author Texas Posts:2,795 Points:618,270 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:56:33 PM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse More propaganda from environmental terrorists—"the sky is falling, the sky is falling." One day the general populous will awaken and realize that they've been duped out of all their freedom by the main stream media, but then it will be too late. The earth is cooling, no wait it's warming and it's man's fault. Natural gas is clean energy, no wait, now that it's price has come down and it's abundantly available, it's bad! Even though hydraulic fracturing of wells has been successfully done for over 50 years, all of a sudden it's bad. Wake up! Not only is there an industry (environmental/ecological/alternative energy) out there waiting to profiteer on your ignorance, but a far greater evil, a global conspiracy, is taking place that is gradually taking away the freedoms our country was founded on. Do you want to live like the "common people" in the movie "The Hunger Games"? George Soros, Peter Lewis, Al Gore, B. Hussein Obama and the United Nations, the "elite", will have us there before we know it and then it will be too late. They will have taken away your property, weapons, and left you with just enough food to sustain yourself so you can be one of their worker bees. Like the picture? Don't be ignorant, educate yourself. Understanding Sustainable Development – Agenda 21 Hydraulic Fracturing - How it Works "Global warming never was about protecting the environment. It’s nothing more than the excuse to enforce global governance on the planet by creating a new global economy based on the environment rather than on goods and services... ...Sustainable Development is the process by which America is being reorganized around a central principle of state collectivism using the environment as bait... ...one of the most destructive tools they use to force it on us is something called the “precautionary principle.” That means that any activities that might threaten human health or the environment should be stopped -- even if no clear cause and effect relationship has been established – and even if the potential threat is largely theoretical."—Agenda 21 Cliff Notes
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,008 Points:599,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:44:29 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
Billbop Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,782 Points:1,449,940 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:42:05 PM Ignore Billbop Report Abuse Kind of bait and switch, your byline says NewYork Times, your link sends us to the Sun Yung Moon Washington Times who is as credible as a Karl Rove commercial.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:39:05 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Sure, @BIGREDNM, go ahead and frack. But first put your house and all of your assets up for collateral, in case something bad happens. You still wanna make that bet?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:36:19 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse That may be true, @Cheepo, but not with these latest toxic formulas of fracking fluid and not with the amount of horizontal drilling that has happened in recent years.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:34:21 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Boy, @BobbyVA, you're about as predictable as the sun rising in the East. Why don't you surprise us, once in awhile.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:32:56 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse But the question, @bigmace111, is whether you're still waiting for the study that says asbestos is perfectly safe. I'm sure there's at least one scientist out there that thinks that whole cancer thing is bunk so please accept this set of asbestos pajamas. You may now resume smoking in bed.
Cheepo Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,889 Points:3,128,005 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:32:46 PM Ignore Cheepo Report Abuse Fracking has been done for decades!!!!!!!
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:30:01 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse A non-issue, @suzmar? REALLY? I guess we can send a drilling rig over to your house to have a little look around. I'm sure they can find a little methane under your house. Don't worry about your tap water turning brown and the occasional blowout of the rig. It's just flammable methane escaping, along with some toxic gases. But I'm sure everything will be okay.
msgt_usa Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,478 Points:934,805 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:29:56 PM Ignore msgt_usa Report Abuse To frack or not to frack
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:26:43 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse @RedskinGas just made the most sense out of almost everyone here. Natural gas prices are at a 6 year low. We barely know what to do with the methane we have on tap right now and we can't store anymore. Let the wells that have already been drilled play out and then drill new ones as we need them. There's no huge rush to do this right now. [Edited by: Aviator_Rob at 7/17/2012 3:27:06 PM EST]
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:24:32 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse And right-wing talk radio is populated by wingnuts that can't spare a dozen brain cells between the whole lot of them. What's your point, @Zeke33?
RedskinGas Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,018 Points:1,131,035 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:23:46 PM Ignore RedskinGas Report Abuse Stop it for now while we have a lot on tap, figure out how to do it safely and then drill for more when we need it for electric plants and vehicles.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:23:10 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Hey, @Number43. That statement sounds more appropriate for Fox News. I really wish that gas wells could only be drilled next to people that really want them. Then when an accident occurs, we can watch them flounder and plead for help. Quit being selfish, people. Your choices and actions affect more than just yourselves.
Zeke33 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,577 Points:1,617,715 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:22:04 PM Ignore Zeke33 Report Abuse A lot of the universities are staffed with anti-capitalists, who want to errode the economic system of this country. Beware!
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:19:53 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse The facts are simple, @NorthglennBill. If you live anywhere near a gas well that undergoes fracking, you have a distinct risk of your well water becoming contaminated. If the drilling is near a reservoir, there is a distinct risk of that reservoir becoming contaminated with fracking fluid. Do you feel like rolling the dice with your water for the gas industry's benefit? You'll save pennies off your gas bill and the industry will make millions and millions. Seem like a fair trade?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:16:48 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse The sky isn't falling, @Melven. Just get used to drinking fracking fluid with your water. I'm sure you have plenty to spare. Oh wait, 35 states are in a drought right now so clean drinking water is especially scarce. You can't drink natural gas.
Jakster All-Star Author Allentown Posts:980 Points:472,365 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:14:36 PM Ignore Jakster Report Abuse What's more important; clean water to drink or natural gas for heat and power? We can develop alternative fuels but humans can't live without water.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:14:29 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse "Greedies", stay out of the business world, @balljars.
Mustache_33 All-Star Author Toronto Posts:900 Points:181,455 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:12:22 PM Ignore Mustache_33 Report Abuse If fracking has to be done for good reasons why not, the best thing to do is to have safety/emergency measures ready in place as well.
CQQKIE All-Star Author Illinois Posts:970 Points:349,065 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:12:08 PM Ignore CQQKIE Report Abuse Ok.
FreeeBee Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:343 Points:224,595 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:11:04 PM Ignore FreeeBee Report Abuse so there is a risk and so do not do it.. and so we can manipulate prices for ever.. is that the game plan?
bigsranch Champion Author Houston Posts:3,156 Points:1,007,430 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:10:13 PM Ignore bigsranch Report Abuse The biggest risk is an increase of revenue to the state, which will only encourage more and more gov't spending.
Rednix Champion Author Miami Posts:6,163 Points:1,277,460 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:09:55 PM Ignore Rednix Report Abuse big risks.
Bonito Champion Author Dayton Posts:15,766 Points:3,009,845 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:07:00 PM Ignore Bonito Report Abuse TO BAD WE COULDN'T STOP THE FRACKING. WE WILL STOP THE GOV. IN NOVEMBER!
balljars Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,113 Points:1,610,595 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:06:35 PM Ignore balljars Report Abuse Greenies stay out of the business world.
Melven Champion Author Utah Posts:4,098 Points:1,489,565 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:03:21 PM Ignore Melven Report Abuse More chicken little! The sky is not falling!
sneadmd Sophomore Author Dayton Posts:217 Points:221,975 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:58:12 AM Ignore sneadmd Report Abuse Interesting
sneadmd Sophomore Author Dayton Posts:217 Points:221,975 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:58:00 AM Ignore sneadmd Report Abuse Interesting
gils Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,706 Points:645,675 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:57:34 AM Ignore gils Report Abuse ok
satrn38mpg Champion Author Raleigh Posts:5,077 Points:1,054,990 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:54:40 AM Ignore satrn38mpg Report Abuse hello ??
NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:7,432 Points:1,473,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:52:08 AM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse Everybody seems to have an opinion. Be nice to know what the facts really are.
singlemom27 Champion Author Ventura Posts:3,118 Points:641,160 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:52:03 AM Ignore singlemom27 Report Abuse Don't do it...
car54BC Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,327 Points:1,257,630 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:51:30 AM Ignore car54BC Report Abuse The sky is falling !
Feud Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,091 Points:307,765 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:49:21 AM Ignore Feud Report Abuse Yup.
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:9,538 Points:3,081,650 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:48:57 AM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse What do you expect from the NYT? Anything that's good for this country, that's what they'll be spewing against. They have absolutely NO credibility with me anymore. They've catered to a select audience and will launch into verbal contortions to justify their preconceived notions.
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,387 Points:1,667,735 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:48:40 AM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse Hahaha. "Researchers"??? Eco-terrorists.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,708 Points:1,640,120 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 11:47:32 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse The NY times. "All the lies that we care to print just to fill the space knowing the limited intelligence of the reader will believe it.